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Hi,

bad news and good news.

Time servers work on standard time and the problem we will see is the offset frm that relative to the world.

Good news though..Linux etc use the same timezone files, so you can copy one from an up to date Linux and copy it into /etc/localtime and test with..

sudo zdump -v /etc/localtime |grep 2008

If you can't find one try here :
http://nickb.homedns.org/localtime

Nick

I called Apple 'support' about this yesterday and the Australian call centre agent was less than interested. They advised that the issue would be 'dealt with in the usual manner', when asked to elaborate I was told tersely that meant 'if an an update was required it would be notified and posted in the usual way'. My response; that MS were conducting a visible public information programme with downloads available, didn't get any reaction.

I checked the MacRumors archive and there is that snippet about a fix in 10.4.11, but last info was that that would be released 'late this month or early next'. And what about codgers like me that are perfectly happy with 10.3.9?

As I understand it, and others have said, if Date/time is set to auto update from a time server, it needs to know the details of when and how much to change the offset from UTC.

So, come Sunday week, unless you manually change the time setting and turn off auto set date/time, the system clock will be wrong until the the old daylight saving change date arrives.

Are Apple going to let users know about this simple work around, or are they going to wait for lots of people to get p...d off? I won't be holding my breath.

Well it has already been said on rumour sites (see earlier in the thread) and this was posted today....
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/12/three_dozen_fixes_planned_for_mac_os_x_10_4_11.html

DST isn't mentioned, but it refers to previous discussions about what is to be included.

Phil

Yes I saw that too. What annoys me is the lack of information about what is being done (or Not).

Actually the daylight savings update wasn't actually part of the 10.4.10 release it was part of the 10.4.8 release:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1048comboupdateintel.html

Once again not sure if it included New Zealand.

I think that update came out well before NZ made changes to it's daylight savings times.

My point is that we shouldn't have be thinking about whether or not its this or that. Apple should lead not follow MS, and have told NZ users what the situation is.

Weird...at work we've just had an email with a link to an internal software archive and told there is a custom-made installer to download...which I now have sitting on my desktop.

I'm not installing it until I find out more about it and am *not* going to provide it here sorry.

Phil

Found out the installer has been made by a new staff member here at IT services at Massey, formerly with DTSL he commented that there are instructions here.... http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20070128185822710

..and that the installer just replaces 2 files....
/usr/share/zoneinfo/Pacific/Auckland
/usr/share/zoneinfo/NZ

I've not applied the installer and am not making it available here. Hopefully Apple should respond to the need for an update soon.

Phil

I just ran the 'linux' update. with a minor change of using curl -o instead of wget. (had to use man to figure it out)

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/barf/3483

I'm a linux geek at heart. Obviously Onyx:~ jo$ is my command prompt.

Code:

Onyx:~ jo$ zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 /etc/localtime Sat Mar 17 13:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 18 02:59:59 2007 NZDT isdst=1 /etc/localtime Sat Mar 17 14:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 18 02:00:00 2007 NZST isdst=0 /etc/localtime Sat Oct 6 13:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Oct 7 01:59:59 2007 NZST isdst=0 /etc/localtime Sat Oct 6 14:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Oct 7 03:00:00 2007 NZDT isdst=1 Onyx:~ jo$ man curl Onyx:~ jo$ curl -o tzdata.tar ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2007g.tar.gz Onyx:~ jo$ mkdir tzdata/; tar zxvf tzdata.tar -C tzdata/; cd tzdata/ Onyx:~ jo$ sudo zic australasia Onyx:~ jo$ sudo zic backward Onyx:~ jo$ zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 /etc/localtime Sat Mar 17 13:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 18 02:59:59 2007 NZDT isdst=1 /etc/localtime Sat Mar 17 14:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 18 02:00:00 2007 NZST isdst=0 /etc/localtime Sat Sep 29 13:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Sep 30 01:59:59 2007 NZST isdst=0 /etc/localtime Sat Sep 29 14:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Sep 30 03:00:00 2007 NZDT isdst=1

Looks ok. Will wait for D-day.

Note - this only appears to update the BSD end of OS X - not necessarily the nice shiny part - /usr/share/icu/icudt32b.dat seems to hodl the key for the latter parts.